29 thoughts on “Lesson 6- Agree to Disagree”

  1. I agree, mostly. The lesson plan addresses what it needs to, but I was taught a little differently by my school’s owner. Of course, that doesn’t mean two things that are different can’t be right. There’s more than one way to skin a cat. I would add an overview of the vehicle… going over the pedals, gears (including neutral and low gears, which could save your life one day), the instrument panel, lights, wipers, even climate control (comfort and vision are important). Reiterating or introducing (if it wasn’t taught in the students 5 hr course… tisk, tisk) your initial checklist (Seat Mirrors Belt Ignition Gear Signal Wheel Look in side mirror Look in blindspot, a.k.a SMBIGSWLL) is important. After pulling away from the curb, we typically do straight driving, which incorporates stop & go, as well as signs, lights, and lines. Then, we focus on right turns, move on to left turns (what’s similar & what’s different), and we actually do 3 point turns before parking. In the process, we may need to touch on lane changes, but we typically focus on that more deeply, once there’s some proficiency in the other areas. We might venture onto larger, busier streets, at this point. I’ve tried teaching students to feel the turns, but I’ve found (and they appreciate) that giving them specific, step by step, instructions on how and when to turn makes a big difference. I have the perfect formula for turns. Of course, we all know some students will progress differently, so some can do more than one lesson in a session and some will need several sessions for some lessons. I absolutely agree, wholeheartedly, with the whole drivers make up a community and communication is key concept. How will I be able to avoid you, if you just decide to move into the same space I’m heading for without alerting me of what you’re doing and making sure it’s safe to do it, ahead of time? With all that said, I can appreciate and respect your experiences which lead you to your lesson plan. At the end of the day, it comes down to what works for each individual instructor and his/her students. Every instructor doesn’t match with every student, which is why I like the fact that you switch up instructors, as you mentioned at the end of class. One instructor’s methods may come across more clearly to certain students. Variety is the spice of life, right? OK, I think I flapped my jibs enough. I’ll see you next class. Until then, take care.

  2. The lesson plan was strongly acceptable, however I will suggest a few things. I am going to add about students who have over aged. Normally they learn slowly. I do the first lesson about holding the steering wheels with clock system and recovery hand over hand. When they turn right or left they can do very well step by step. Also, this will be affect learning for broken “u” turn. Their stress levels are reduced. Also I give some home work to follows NYS DMV driver’s manuals. I provide the Road test Evaluation point system, so learn very quickly as possible. Every instructor have some techniques for example: parallal parking make sure 45′ angle their parallal parking is complete very easy method. Some student have language problem like pull out, pull over, buckle up, pick up gas, right side traffic directions/ come from left side traffic directions. I physcially show my students what a blind spot is. Finally, I suggest to make sure observation is perfect other wise disqualifies NYS Road test.

  3. I agree with your lesson plan . Once again you have found a good way to keep us involved and contributing without it feeling like work . I know those slides don’t encompass everything you teach but like others I would also like to add my spin. . One of the very first lessons we teach is pulling away from the curb so as to have students fully observe , properly signal and keep enough safe space from vehicles with the right of way while pulling out.

  4. I agree with your lesson plan. Your slides covered the main lessons of driving. However, they did not go over everything and I would like to add an overview of the vehicle’s features. This can include going over pedals, gears, or even wipers and how climate can affect one’s driving. Safety is always a top priority and knowing how one’s mood can easily change can also affect the precautions one takes while driving.

  5. Generally, this a good plan. In lesson one, I would enhance it by showing the pupils how the signals work from the inside out. Also demonstrate how to check your brake light by placing a heavy object like a brick on the brake, especially for a pre check inspection. Explain how the dashboard panels work and how the temperature gauge relates under hood, gas gauge and fuel door, components under the hood etc. Lesson two is good, lesson three, I would teach signs first, due to the fact you need to have the ability to read signs in order to know what to do when your driving. One must know how to identify a red light camera so they won’t mistakenly turn on red. As you mentioned, road lines and street signs can work interchangeably. Lesson four, I would work the U turns, k-turns, since it is simpler than the parallel, then lesson five would be the parallel parking. I know their are quite a few ways to maneuver this. One thing I stress over is to always start at the mirror, signal right first of course before anything, adjust the right side mirror,check left mirror, right mirror, then look over right shoulder and most of all, reverse back until the mirror aligns to the rear door of car next to them then turn to the right. That way, if then need to correct themselves, they’ll have plenty of room to do so.

  6. Agree With The Six Lesson Steps..Is Helps Students To Learn One Skill At A Time..We Teaches Students The Skills How To Pass The Road..For Example A Student Who Never Drives Before And You Are Trying To Teach The Student Left Turns Right Turns Parallel Parking And A 3 Point Turn In One Lesson They Student Will Get So Confuse Just Like You Put A Frog To Boil In A Pot Of Boiling Water The Frog Will Jump Out And Ran Away. If You Teach The Student One Skill At A Time The Student Will Settle Down Like Putting A Frog To Boil In A Cold Pot Of Water And Then Increase The Heat The Frog Will Gradually Boil..

  7. I’ve often told my students to, Turn from your lane and land in your lane. I think this is a very effective way to get them to remain focused through the turn. When they do this successfully I point out how good it was of them to land in the middle of the lane instead of wide or short. I also tell my students the road speaks to them in the road signs and that it is their responsibility to listen. Sometimes I don’t have the luxury of giving 6 lessons to one student , so I have to evaluate what the most important thing is that they need help with. (Of course they always think it’s parallel parking.)
    I tell my students to feel like the car is an extension of themselves; this seems to help them with spacial awareness. I really like how you have your students give commentary driving, I have never done that but am eager to try it out. I agree, it sounds like it is a great way to evaluate.

  8. Hi,
    I agree this is an excellent blue print. Nervousness is always an issue to some degree. The fastest cure seems be to supplement lessons with practice. Students who practice after learning the fundamentals reach a level of comfort and control that make them road test ready sooner than those who rely on lessons alone.

  9. Great plan…it has worked for you and you’ve cut out the info that only adds frustration or confusion to your driver. I would incorporate “off the road” activities for students to practice during the time they aren’t in the car, for example, work on depth perception, spot the signs, read an article about road/road safety etc. The goal is to make the learning driver an even sharper observer and more sensitive to the driving world. I would also pick and choose chapters from the NYS driver manual to reinforce lessons learned and to build on lessons mastered. While the plan seems to talk to brand-new drivers I wonder about those that have lost the license and need to go through the process again. How does this fit them? Is the instructor harder or softer on them? Would a chapter on attitude or drunk driving be necessary while in-car? I ask because I don’t know. Overall I agree in the simplicity of the plan—considering the source and success behind it, why would I ever disagree. This is something that as a framework can be used and can be built upon.

  10. I agree with your lesson plan as well. As an instructor our goal is to introduce a new safe driver to our community. The behaviors and habits of a safe driver will take them far, since their perspectives as passengers is just totally different than a “safe driver”. Personally I tell my students: “the car is taking you where you want to go, not the other way around”, that’s why I teach them to get to know the car they are driving. From the seat belts, pedals, gears, signal lights, mirrors and to move the eyes constantly as well as turning the head. Then moving forward on controlling the car, which I think is the most important lesson. I will definitely implement on having my students comment on what they see on the road. I think it will be a great strategy!!
    As far as the road test, my advice to my students is to do what you are asked from the inspector in a safely manner and respecting the rules of the roads, signs and pedestrians. There are inspectors that are intimidating but that is just another subject 🙂

  11. Hello. I found all of lesson plans tremendously organized and instructional , to say the least. My approach to instructing my students isn’t always as structured and orthodox as you have laid out so beautifully. Of course, each student is different and learns at their own pace. Outside of all of the instructional facets in this industry meaning, what WE as instructors TRY to do with EACH student during EACH lesson, It’s very important to show them WHAT they CAN accomplish and to feel safe with you. I simply begin with the basics and increase instruction as I observe their ability to understand and grasp. It’s all relative.

  12. Kye, I read through your lesson plan, and I will agree with my fellow Classmates, that you do break down the course into simple steps, that will have the new Student Driver more at ease, and that it what it is all about, anyway. The same approach is needed for a Driver that needs to re-certify and take the Road test, but you might be dealing with a student who thinks that they know it all, already, and they are simply going through the motions. That needs to be addressed quickly. Since they lost their license, and are back again for another try, they need to listen to the Instructor, and be willing to learn what is being taught. Another problem is having new students to me, Who have had really terrible experiences with other Instructors, or Driving Schools. Personally, I prefer to teach the student from beginning to end, because I know all their strengths, as well as their weaknesses, and how to overcome those difficulties. All students can experience driving with someone else in the car, when their fathers take them out in the car for the 50 hours of required practice driving.

  13. I would agree with most of your lesson plan with the exception The very beginnings is introduction to all dashboard and steering wheel accessories and how to use them signal indicator, lights, wipers etc. I would move up reading the signs of the road before moving the car in reverse an parallel parking. I also teach 3 PT turn before parallel parking Because most students are afraid of moving the car in reverse so I feel it gets them use to moving backwards without the added pressure of trying to learn how to park I also would like to add good instructors must be able to adjust his teaching technique to his students learning ability.

  14. I would agree because I have no experience as an driving instructor. So I would use that structure to gain knowledge.

  15. Lesson 7:
    What is outlined in lesson 7 makes a better understanding of what to steps to take. If the students can control the car they can control their driving and thus enhanced their driving skills. Understanding how important ever piece of driving is important for them to start with the basics. Thanks Kye.

  16. I agree with the lesson plan , In lesson 7. You give the steps of driving . It’s a good reference and another way to teach students . A lot of lesson can be explained in th 5hr class.

  17. To agree or disagree that is the question for this lesson, you should listen to what each other has to say about a subject and then try to work out a compremised that both can fairly agree with.

  18. I agree with the lesson plan as every school may have a coulple tweeks but in general a very good plan, each lesson helps the student grow and may open their eyes to things they did not realize before. I have already used some of kyes material and applied it to teaching and they are very effective.

  19. learn to crawl to walk and then to run. ABC’s of learning is paramount. I throw myself in the deep end of the water so to teach myself to swim, and yet I learn to tread water without drowning but I don’t understand the nature of the ocean. soon a riptide finds me and I am consumed by what I thought I understood. Kye’s 7 part lesson underscores the importance of foundations and building blocks needed for teaching and learning.
    I agree with his lesson plan unequivocally.

  20. Since majority of the class already took the driving instructor 30 hour course already, this gave me a good understanding of how Kye teaches his lessons and I agree with them. I like how he teaches about communication, and the turning from your lane to same lane, hopefully I can use these when I give lessons

  21. Students should first learn how to control the car and basic rules of the road to become a safer driver.

  22. I learned quite a bit from this lesson and will apply to my class when teaching. From the basic to advance level, interacting with the students, collaborative conversation make things go smoother and also makes the time move faster, learning and sharing experiences together.

  23. Great outline to incorporate in the teaching process. For me it’s a learning experience, preparing me for the actual instruction course. Agree to disagree is hard something, but as teacher that’s a skill that needs to be refined to serve your students better.

  24. i thought steering could be more emphasized, i.e., how to grip the wheel in order to turn… i teach hand over hand steering from the very beginning, as, along with braking and gas pedal, and steering the car on a straightaway, helps to calm things down considerably. i frequently use 3 point turning near the beginning of the driving experience in order to offer students a practical application for hand over hand, and to provide a way to practice. For parallel parking i emphasize the training of the eye, rather than relying on counting methods which may prove difficult or useless when encountering a different size vehicle… my approach involves recognition of the importance of a healthy attitude, and the realization that others may not observe the expected protocol… surprise surprise… “what if…”

  25. p.s. i find it bizzare that the owner of the school i work with, and his son, delight in taking a first lesson student onto a major highway… totally unthinkable in my philosophical model…

  26. I agree with your lesson plan . So useful . I have no experience as an driving instructor. So I would use this structure If I need to teach . Simple . Easy understand . Is my style . I like it .

  27. i agree more than i did initially when this was inteoduced in our 30 hour class. i was teaching in a different order in terms of the different lessons. ive tried teaching under your lesson plan and i now like it better.

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